How does Sator get the algorithm after the car chase?

This question contains many spoilers for Tenet.

I'm trying to work out exactly what happens in the car chase sequence. I think I understand where most of the characters go, but there's a couple of objects where I don't understand what happens to them.

The main one is the silver box that later turns out to be part of the algorithm. It seems that this is what happens:

Initially the protagonist has the algorithm with him in his car. Then at some point the silver car un-flips and joins the chase.

In a third car, Sator appears to be counting down on his fingers (though from Sator's point of view he's counting up), and the protagonist throws him the orange case that originally contained the algorithm. However, we later find out that he threw the empty orange case to Sator while almost simultaneously throwing the algorithm into the silver car.

Later, the protagonist goes through the turnstile, exits the building inverted, and finds the silver car.* For some reason, he doesn't seem to realise that at this point the algorithm is (as far as I know) somewhere in this car.^{† ‡} He then drives off and enters the car chase. The algorithm then jumps up from somewhere and flies into the BMW, which is how we know he threw it in there in forward time.

He then crashes the car, and Sator catches up with him and sets it on fire. But as the diagram above shows, the algorithm isn't in the car at this point - in the inverted time line, it's already jumped into the BMW.

After that the protagonist loses consciousness, and when he wakes up he says that Sator has the algorithm. Later we find out that this is true, since all the algorithm's components have been assembled at the final battle.

So in forward time, the algorithm seems to end up sitting in the silver car, parked outside the turnstile facility, which has been taken over by Ives' team. The question is how Sator's people get hold of it after that. It happens off screen, but is it explained or hinted at?

Sator himself can't have picked it up, because he inverts before the protagonist gets into the car. Unless he uninverted later, before inverting again and going back to Vietnam.

The other thing I don't understand is what happens to the orange case that the algorithm was in originally. The (non-inverted) protagonist throws it to Sator. But this Sator is inverted, which means that from his point of view it jumps out of his hands and into the protagonist's. (After that he starts counting upwards on his fingers for some reason.) But how did Sator get hold of it before that, from his perspective? At some point it's by the side of the road, but if it was thrown from the inverted car he wouldn't have had it at that point to pass it to the protagonist. I probably missed something here - which car was it thrown out of, and when? (On re-watching, in reverse-time we see the orange case jump off the curb into the non-inverted Mercedes, which inverted Sator is riding at that point in time. I guess we have to assume that it was thrown out of the car by its non-inverted driver.)

*_{In my headcanon this is an inverted getaway car that Sator's gang left outside the inverted half of their hideout. This explains why the car itself seems to be inverted, and also explains why there's a fancy fast car so conveniently placed at that location. Nope, that doesn't make sense - they would have to invert the car in the future in order for it to be there at that time, but Ives' team owns that facility now. Sator's team could re-capture it in the future and invert the car then, or invert it somewhere else, but then why would they go out of their way to put their inverted car there, knowing that it would be used by the protagonist in the car chase? Unless that's how they got hold of the algorithm, in the future, when they inverted it. But it seems more likely that it's just a normal car and it's just cinematic license that it behaves inverted when the protagonist drives it. (This point continued to bug me, so I've asked another question here.)}

^†_{If he did realise that and tried to take it out of the car it probably wouldn't work, because it would make it impossible for him to have thrown it there in the first place. But I guess there's nothing to stop him telling one of his friends to go back through the turnstile and pick it up in forward time. He could then go and enter the car chase, to make sure the algorithm would be there in the first place. I suspect the idea is that he hasn't quite understood how time inversion works, so he thinks the algorithm will come into the Saab when his other self throws it.}

^‡_{Having watched it again on the small screen, he does check behind the driver seat when he first gets into the car, so maybe he knows the algorithm should be there after all, and is looking for it. He doesn't seem to look very hard, though, and fairly quickly gives up and drives off.}

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Best Answer

If you take Sator's perspective, it is easier that way.

Sator take his wife to his warehouse and beats on her. (shown to audience)
Sator listens to his radio about how everything goes during the car chase scene, there are two Sator throughout the car chase scene, one inverted and one not; we are taking the non-inverted Sator's perspective. (happens off screen at the same time of the car chase, not shown to audience)
Sator enters the red room, beats on the captured protagonist and asks him where is the algorithm part. The protagonist lies to him "it is in the BMW" (shown to audience)
Sator sees through the window that the inverted Sator starts walking backwards to the turnstile; he realises it is time to invert himself. At this moment, Sator is about to become inverted and about to look for the BMW for the part. More soldiers arrive and chase Sator off into the turnstile. (shown to audience)
Sator becomes inverted and starts to interrogate the non-inverted protagonist across the window; but everything inverted Sator speaks is inverted now, therefore there is radio to translate inverted Sator's questions (shown to audience)
The inverted Sator threatens to the already injured Kate first then shoots her, the already injured Kate becomes unshoot (her wounds heals up and the bullet returns to Sator's pistol). (shown to audience)
Inverted Sator takes non-inverted Kate with him, out of the warehouse. (shown to audience)
Inverted Sator goes to the scene where shooting is happening, Sator's men are shooting against the cavalry Neil has called over. But inverted Sator does not find the part from the BMW. (how inverted Sator gets to the scene is not shown to audience, we are only shown inverted Sator is looking for the BMW car during the shooting)
Inverted Sator and his inverted driver get into a car, chases up the AUDI with only Kate trapped in it and they jump into the AUDI. (shown to audience but it is in inverted order, e.g. what we see is Sator and his driver escape from the AUDI into a car, leaving Kate to become trapped)
Inverted Sator throws the orange box to the protagonist (shown to audience but this throwing scene looks like both side are throwing/catching the orange box)
Inverted Sator sees the car in the middle is driven by inverted protagonist and also sees the protagonist throws the part into the car in the middle (shown to us)
Inverted Sator rams inverted protagonist's car. (shown to audience)
Inverted Sator points his gun to Kate and demands the protagonist for the orange box. (shown to audience but it is inverted)
Inverted Sator drives back to the inverted protagonist and sets his car on fire. (only the fire-setting part is shown to audience)
Inverted Sator now knows exactly where the part is. He radios his normal henchmen to take it out of the car which parks outside the warehouse. (not shown to audience)

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How did Sator get the 241 Reddit?

The 241 is in the Saab sitting outside the turnstile while Protagonist is there, before he inverted and left the turnstile. Sator or his men took the 241 at some moment before inverted Protagonist got in the Saab (BEFORE from inverted Protagonist's POV but AFTER from normal POV).

Why did the algorithm not go off when Sator died?

If Sator's dead man's switch was meant to trigger the algorithm, then it's "end of play"\u2014to use Neil's words\u2014as soon as Sator got killed. The Tenet team would not be able to lift the algorithm from the dead drop location, because the algorithm was still inside the cavern / dead drop location when Kat killed Sator.

How did Sator get plutonium?

That was future Sator, however \u2013 the Sator he is with is in the present and is yet to do this. Once he inverts, the timelines merge and he learns the information, shoots the non-inverted Kat with an inverted bullet, and heads out to the highway to get the plutonium.

How did Sator communicate with the future?

Whenever the Future People want to communicate with Sator in the past, they invert a document and place it in a container, so that it will travel back in time and can be retrieved in Sator's time.

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Answer 2

This is a self-answer, because after watching the film a couple more times I think I've figured it out.

The thing that I didn't notice the first few times I watched the movie is that after Sator shoots Kat and the protagonist decides to invert, all the soldiers invert with him. So in forward time, what happens is this:

Ives and his team converge on the facility and capture it.
At the same moment, Sator inverts, causing both forward and inverted Sator to disappear, which seems to leave only the Tenet team inside the facility.
Shortly after this, inverted copies of Kat and the Tenet team converge on the facility, including the inverted protagonist, who arrives in the Saab and leaves it outside with the algorithm inside it somewhere.
A little later, all of the Tenet-affiliated people enter the turnstile and invert, leaving the facility empty.

At this point the algorithm is just sitting in the Saab outside the turnstile facility, which is empty and unguarded. There's nothing to stop Sator's people from picking it up, since not all of them inverted.

This seems a tactically odd choice for Ives to make, but given that everyone did invert at that point there was no time for anyone on the Tenet side to re-invert and pick the algorithm up. I'd previously thought that the turnstile is controlled by Tenet from that point on, but it isn't - they're only in control of it for a few minutes before they leave again.

It's also somewhat odd that there was only a small unit with Ives on that mission, since they apparently had access to a much larger fighting force, along with ships and helicopters and their own turnstile facility, but I think we can put that down to the whole sequence of events being pre-determined to happen that way, together with the secretive way the Tenet organisation is structured.

Another thing I missed is that the protagonist's main reason for going back out and driving the Saab was not to capture the algorithm but to prevent Sator from shooting Kat again in the past. This explains why he gives up looking for the algorithm so quickly before driving off - it just isn't the main thing on his mind.

Answer 3

The Protagonist's lie successfully foiled Sator's pincer movement operation. Sator did not get the last section of the algorithm from the car chase event or its immediate aftermath (= the Protagonist left the section in the Saab). Somebody else took it from the Saab. Sator got it from... well... ignorance is our ammunition. ;)

This could be confirmed by looking at two scene: 1) Non-inverted Sator's retreat after Ive's team seizure of the turnstile; 2) Inverted Sator's lines eavesdropped by the Protagonist via bluetooth earbuds.

Answer 4

They have a good reason why they didn't go through this in the movie because if they did this will complicate things, basically what happens, is once Sator knew where the algorithm is, he can let someone know and get it for him, but let's think about that for a moment, the protagonist can do the same thing since he's already in the past himself, he can unsend a text to cavalry, or unwrote a letter, or unsend a message to Neil or himself about the chase events and where the algorithm is, I guess they knew this will complicate things even further so they avoided showing it to us.

by the way, when the protagonist looks behind the seat he was looking for the keys because back then he wouldn't know that the algorithm is in there.

About the orange case, you're thinking about the inverted and uninverted Sator and protagonist at the same time, it doesn't work like that, I will only be talking about the inverted scene here, for the inverted sator, it will look like he's getting the orange case from the grass to the Mercedes car, this car is driven by an uninverted driver, on the back there's the inverted Sator and his inverted audi driver, they're getting the open orange case, closing it, then Sator throw it to the protagonist, crashing the inverted protagonist car, and then started counting backward while holding the gun on kate ...

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