How did Thomas know about "Her Ladyship's soap?"

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In season one of Downton Abbey, O'Brien strategically places a bar of soap near the tub where she knows Lady Cora will step on it. O'Brien comes to her sensed a minute too late and Cora falls, causing a miscarriage.

Seasons Two and Three go by, which spans the entire length of WW1 and at least two more years. O'Brien tries to get rid of Thomas by exposing his homosexuality, and with the help of Anna and Bates, he let's O'Brien know that he knows about the soap.

O'Brien and Thomas were good friends up until Thomas refused to help her nephew get a higher position in the household staff, but I doubt she ever told him what she did. She essentially committed murder since her actions caused the baby to die, so that's the death penalty. O'Brien wouldn't have risked giving Thomas that kind of power over her.

So how did Thomas find out and why would he keep that under his hat for so long?



Best Answer

I don’t think O’Brien told Thomas (or anyone) about what she did, but he presumably knew enough to work it out. In the last episode of the first series, there are some conversations between Thomas and O’Brien about her belief that Cora is about to replace her, including this short exchange:

[Thomas approaches O'Brien.]
Thomas: Well, you're going any minute. She's advertised for your replacement.
O'Brien: That filthy, ungrateful cow.

Afterwards, near the end of the episode, O’Brien causes Cora’s accident in revenge (though she belatedly changes her mind and is later shocked to learn Cora’s advertisement was intended to find a maid for Violet).

In episode three of the second series, after Thomas has returned from the front, there’s a scene where Thomas observes O’Brien has made an about-turn in her feelings towards Cora for reasons she does not want to state:

[10:28, EXT. COURTYARD - DAY]
Thomas: Suppose I don't want to come back?
O'Brien: To be in charge? Telling Mr Carson what to do?
Thomas: Why? What's in it for you?
O'Brien: All right, it's to stop Mrs Crawley bossing Her Ladyship about. She behaves as if she owns the place.
Thomas: You've changed your tune. When I were last here, you'd've given money to see Her Ladyship eat dirt.
O'Brien: Well, like you say, I've changed me tune. People do.
Thomas: Not without reason.
O'Brien: I’ve got me reasons.
Thomas: You've also got Her Ladyship wrapped 'round your little finger.
O'Brien: Maybe that's my business. But I'll not hurt her. And I'll not let anyone else hurt her neither. That's all I've got to say.
Thomas: You're a queer one, and no mistake.
O'Brien: So, will you come if I can fix it?
Thomas: Why not? I like the idea of giving orders to old Carson.
[O'Brien smiles.]
[BREAK 1]

I’m not sure we have more to go on. But I think we can assume Thomas knows O’Brien well enough to know she would be capable of setting up Cora’s “accident”. He also knows she had some motivation for it. And lastly, he’s seen her exhibit some sense of needing to make up to Cora. So it seems plausible enough for Thomas to have realized Lady Cora’s “accidental” slip on the piece of soap was no accident at all.

As to the question of why Thomas didn’t use this information against O’Brien earlier when they had their falling out, and left it to be relayed through Mr. Bates, I’m not sure there’s a better explanation than “plot convenience”.




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Answer 2

He could have just inferred it, you're right that he probably wouldn't have told her. From his perspective, O'Brien is pissed off at Cora, then she slips on a soap and O'Brien is suddenly super nice to her and even kinda guilty. If O'Brien was really that evil, then if she had nothing to do with it I doubt she would have suddenly been so nice, and I figure Thomas put together the same thing.

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