Is it possible that Arthur Fleck is not the real Joker? [duplicate]

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Joker traces the origin story of Arthur Fleck, a troubled man (mentally, financially, and in several other ways) who goes into a downward spiral and emerges as a maniacal killer. My question: is Arthur Fleck the Joker we see in other Batman movies (e.g. Heath Ledger's Joker)? Nothing in the movie seems to confirm this, and - as far as I know - no Batman movie/comic book/etc gives the real name of the Joker. We see at the end of the movie that Arthur (who was introduced as Joker on Murray Franklin's show) starts some sort of movement against the elite of Gotham, and people inspired by him and his actions dress up as Jokers and riot around the city. Is it not entirely plausible that the real Joker is just someone inspired by Arthur, and not Arthur himself?

An example that shows that this theory is not inconsistent with other representations of the Joker: In Dark Knight, when we're first introduced to Ledger's Joker in a bank robbery scene, the other people robbing the bank with him don't seem to know much about him or his name. One of them even describes him as "some guy who calls himself Joker". If this Joker is indeed Arthur Fleck - who became infamous after his appearance on Murray Franklin's show - how is it that these people don't know anything about him?



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(...) no Batman movie/comic book/etc gives the real name of the Joker(...)

Actually the 1989 Batman film tells a origin story of the Joker, whose name would be Jack Napier. From what I've heard this is not grounded on the comics.

Alternatively, there is the Three Jokers Concept and the ideia of Joker precursors used in Fox's TV series Gotham. In both cases, there is the idea that the Joker is not one person, and for different reasons.

So...

Is it possible that Arthur Fleck is not the real Joker?

Yes it is. Particularly:

(e.g. Heath Ledger's Joker)?

Theories for Heath's Ledger's Joker normally revolve around him having a military background. That Joker is also evidently someone with high intellect, who wants to convey a philosophical message, unlike Fleck, who claims he is "not political", and is mostly portrayed as someone who urges to be heard.

Then again, why would Ledger's joker be "the real" Joker and Phoenix not? They are both iterations on a very mutable character. Better than that, I'd say the "Joker" is a honorific character rather than a single character, as explained at 1min08s of this video. Also within this video's line of thought, the producers are exploiting multiplicity, which from the quote in the video "popular media is moving away from a focus on continuity and instead gravitating towards multiplicity".




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Is Arthur Fleck the actual Joker?

Apparently, Todd Phillips maintains that he purposefully left it ambiguous as to whether Arthur Fleck would become the actual Joker or whether his story inspires a separate character, whereas Phoenix maintains that Arthur Fleck is in fact, the Clown Prince of Crime.

Is the condition that Arthur Fleck have a real thing?

According to the Mayo Clinic, "Pseudobulbar affect (PBA) is a condition that's characterized by episodes of sudden uncontrollable and inappropriate laughing or crying." Echoing the language on the Joker's laminated card, PBA can indeed occur in people with brain injuries, stroke, or certain neurological conditions such ...

Who was the real Joker in real life?

Though Bill Finger, Bob Kane, and Jerry Robinson dispute how much the others contributed to the creation of the Clown Prince of Crime, they all agree that the character was directly inspired by Conrad Veidt's visage from the 1928 silent classic The Man Who Laughs.

Is Jack Napier and Arthur Fleck the same?

For the purpose of Batman, the Joker is Napier. For Joker, the character was once Arthur Fleck. Both are correct for their respective stories, yet neither name is more valid than the next. So, the next time someone asks if the Joker is really Jack Napier or Arthur Fleck, you can tell them he is both and neither.



Arthur Fleck non è il vero Joker?




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It's not only possible. It's expected.
Or to be even more "cannon" he's one of the Jokers. There are multiple explanations on "where did the Joker come from and who he is" and each one is/could be real explanation. Which the readers/viewers cannot agree because some of the versions are told by Joker himself. And it don't have anything to do with multiverse but the fact that people lie.

There is a story in one of the Black & White Batmans comics where is shown that one of the Arkhams workers comment on an origin story Joker told Harleen Quinzel as totally fake because it was told by Joker.

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