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If this is a paradox such as the grandfather paradox, where does the cycle start? Where can it be broken? Specifically, why does Jane, who is her own mother and father, not recognize her lover’s face or for lack of a better term, Her own?

If she doesn't, then Why does Jane involve herself in a romantic relationship with younger self? If I had met myself I'm sure I would have found myself charming (or not) but it would tale a while for me to fall in love with my own self. It was clearly a bombshell to see her younger self.

Instead of romantically involving her self, the urgency to avoid the mishap that would eventually ruin her life should have been a priority. Something to the lines of, “you don't know me, but I know you, this here is a Condom ...”

The same thing happens with the investigator, why does he not recognize his younger self and attempt to reach out with simple and plausible explanations of the bombings? Someone at the factory should have recognized his new face.



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If this is a paradox such as the grandfather paradox, where does the cycle start?

That's the point - unlike the grandfather paradox, this character lives through a self-consistent loop. Does it start when he is born, or when he's dropped at the orphanage, or when he first goes back in time ? It's your choice where the circle starts !

Specifically, why does Jane , who is her own mother and father, not recognize her lover’s face or for lack of a better term, Her own?

(To minimize confusion, I'll use the name "John" for Jane's later self)

Because John's changed. John does not look like Jane - he's years older, and has male features rather than female. Also remember that Jane is unaware of time travel, and so she would not expect to meet herself any more than you would.

Instead of romantically involving her self, the urgency to avoid the mishap that would eventually ruin her life, should have been a priority. Something to the lines of, “ you don’t know me, but I know you, this here is a Condom ...”

But then we wouldn't have had a story !

You're thinking rationally from a position of comfort. My take on John's actions is something like this :

John never intended to fall into a romantic relationship. He was lonely and bitter, and his aims were to protect Jane and to change his history so his life wouldn't be screwed up. Instead he suddenly found love, acceptance and happier times - everything he wanted in an un-screwed-up life. So despite that rational voice in his head, he decided he was going to keep what he now had, and told himself that he would/could still achieve his aims by staying. I'm sure he rationalised it to himself "I'll do better than that other me that I had, it'll be different this time" every step of the way .... even to that final night !

Same thing happens with the investigator, why does he not recognize his younger self and attempt to reach out with simple and plausible explanations of the bombings?

As bomber he probably did recognise / remember his younger self, but he was there to set off the bomb and knew that his younger self was never going to allow that. Also he knew that bomb was going to lead to the newer face, so John wouldn't recognise himself-as-barman.

It's also worth mentioning that Heinlein's story doesn't identify the fizzle bomber.




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Is predestination paradox possible?

But unfortunately, it has not been able to happen yet. The predestination paradox is the most mind-boggling among other paradoxes associated with the concept of time travel such as the grandfather paradox and bootstrap paradox. It is also known as the causal loop paradox.

What is a closed loop paradox?

A predestination paradox (also called causal loop, causality loop, and (less frequently) closed loop or closed time loop) is a paradox of time travel that is often used as a convention in science fiction.

Is predestination a loop?

The term predestination paradox is used in the Star Trek franchise to mean "a time loop in which a time traveler who has gone into the past causes an event that ultimately causes the original future version of the person to go back into the past." This use of the phrase was created for a sequence in a 1996 episode of ...

Who gave predestination paradox?

Heinlein in his short stories entitled \u201cBy His Bootstraps\u201d (1941) and \u201cAll You Zombies\u201d (1959). However, it was the Star Trek franchise that coined the phrase \u201cPredestination Paradox\u201d in a 1996 episode of Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode titled \u201cTrials and Tribble-ations\u201d.



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