How could the lady who redeemed Bill know what was up?

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In Kubrick's Eyes Wide Shut, the protagonist Bill arrives at a secret party/orgy:

Shortly after arriving, he is warned by a masked woman to leave ASAP. Before warning him, the woman was taking part in a ritual, we see no way someone could have talked to her since Bill's arrival. She is taken away for a moment by a masked man, but only after she told him he is in great danger.

When he is found out to be uninvited, he is threatened but the lady steps and says she'll 'redeem' him. It is implied or said that whatever punishment was intended for Bill, she will suffer. Bill leaves, not knowing what will happen to hear.

Later the same lady is found dead in her hotel room (overdose) and we learn that Bill attended to her a night before, after a minor overdose.

Near the end of the movie Bill is told (and seems to believe) that the whole thing with the lady redeeming him was a charade to scare him (and possibly because people who have masked orgies like to play charades). The alternative, far less benign, explanation would be that the weird cult murdered her.

Now there are several ways to interpret this movie - everything is a dream (or several dreams) and if not one could see the cult in a more or less benign way. I think I found a logical hole in the more benign interpretation:

Since there was hardly any time between Bill arriving and the first warning. So a charade seems unlikely, maybe she recognized him despite the mask. This would make the film less ambiguous. Maybe I missed a detail:

Is there anything in a scene where the masked Lady could have been told to scare away Bill, before trying so for the first time?

p.s.

OTOH, it would not seem very logical that the cult allows a hired sex worker (what Mandy appears to be) to decide on whether they punish a gate crasher or not.



Best Answer

Kubrick was one of the most precise and exacting directors ever. Nearly all of his films are considered perfect. He was notorious for doing a ridiculous amount of takes, so that he could get everything just right.

That said, there is a lot of ambiguity, but since it is Kubrick, we have to assume that ambiguity is intended.

It it pretty clear she was a regular worker at these events. By her offer to redeem Bill, it is clear she knows the rules. Thus, that she would instantly grok what was going on with him is not a stretch. She did not specifically need to know what he was up to—only that he had committed trespass


Some further context that may help explain her decision:

The movie deals with ancient Levantine "sin" expiation rituals—the origin of the "scapegoat".

To give you a sense of the level Kubrick was working at, note that the Ancient Greek word for scapegoat is pharmakós. From this we derive "pharmaceutical". Note that she died by drug overdose.

An aspect of the hero's quest is the taking on of society's sin, in order that they may be redeemed, and by extension, redeems the community. Oedipusis one such a figure.

There's an idea out there that the ultra-wealthy who are depicted in the movie know they're "going to hell". Thus they enact ancient sin rituals to wash their souls clean.

It is possibly she believed the punishment would amount to torture or a beating, as it is likely she has sadomasochism tendencies to have chosen such employment. However, they killed her instead to threaten, and by extension, control Bill.

It is also possible she knew the penalty was death and was simply suicidal, perhaps looking for redemption in her death. In many ancient religions, if accounts can be believed, trespass of a sacred space was punishable by death.




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Who was the woman that saved Bill in Eyes Wide Shut?

2. Who Is The Masked Woman? The mysterious woman who saves Bill's life after he's exposed at the orgy is thought to be Mandy, the very girl who's life he had saved from an overdose in the film's opening high society Christmas party scene.

Who is the girl who warned Tom Cruise in Eyes Wide Shut?

When a masked and befuddled Tom Cruise invites himself to a cloaked free-for-all, a \u201cMysterious Woman\u201d \u2014 played by actress Abigail Good \u2014 leads him through the cavernous mansion, and warns him that he's into some risky business.

Why was the mask on the pillow in Eyes Wide Shut?

In the novella the doctor assumes that his wife found the mask. She may have discovered it lying around after it was accidentally misplaced by Bill. Realizing something was up, she left it on his pillow so that he'd find it.

What happened to girl in Eyes Wide Shut?

Once we ask this, we can arrive at an almost too-simple answer: Mandy is killed to protect Ziegler's reputation following the incident in his bathroom. This is not a farfetched speculation. Although Kubrick films the bathroom scene in a low-key, casual tone, the situation is horrific.



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Answer 2

Is it possible they recognized Cruise because he was the only one wearing a gold mask? everyone else seemed to be wearing a white mask

Answer 3

Instead of coming up with highly speculative theories and depositing absolute trust in the genius of Kubrick, maybe we should be more practical about it.

There's the idea that this is an unfinished movie (ex. Final editing and soundtrack) and that the edit as we all know is the result of taking out 20-24 min from Kubrick's last "working print".

When you account for these, it is plausible to present the idea that there is missing scenes that explain more clearly why the mystery woman was able to recognize Tom's character among the masked crowd. (By the way, she isn't Mandy, the speedball lady. Quite possibly the patient with the exposed breasts in the examination room scene).

Another explanation is that it's simply a mistake or a an ex-machina bs move from Kubrick to enhance the "mystery" or the ambivalence of yet another of his movies.

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