What is Billy Ray Valentine doing on the trading room floor?

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Near the end of Trading Places, Winthorpe and Valentine concoct a plan to get back at the Dukes while making themselves rich.

I understand they used insider trading; but what exactly is Billy Ray doing when he's smiling and checking off that booklet in his hand?

He seems to be taking his time while everyone else is in a bit of a hurry.



Best Answer

In the commodities market you can sell what you do not have, as long as you have it to satisfy the deal by the end of the market day. And remember, NOBODY in this room wanted Orange Juice at the end of the day, merely the MONEY that changes hands.

Billy Ray is delaying the purchase of the Frozen Concentrated Orange Juice because they are in a market of rapidly declining prices. This is because the crop report noted that there would be no shortage, and no shortage means that everyone's need for orange juice will be satisfied. In a capital market, satisfaction all around means prices stabilize or decline. A true shortage would have caused demand and prices to go up.

Dan Aykroyd and Eddie Murphy gave the impression that the market would be constricted (without saying so, I believe, just hinting). This caused the Duke Brothers to really cause the frenzy (because of course, they always made money with Winthorpe, and they had an insider report that said there would be a shortage - a clear impetus to try to corner the market). They caused a false demand to force the price higher in the breaking hour of the market. Winthorpe and Valentine sold what they did not have, merely a promise to satisfy the deal for Frozen Concentrate by the end of the day for a high price (because they had falsified the insider report - thus knowing the prices would be low). They sold high before they bought low. Every chit in Eddie's hand was for a commitment to sell a certain amount of FCOJ for the high price by the end of the market day, and as they slowed the buying, the price dropped. They merely had to keep up with the desperation of the losers (those that bought high earlier and would be stuck with the ORANGE JUICE they paid too much for) while the price continued to decline.

Number of Units Sold early has to equal Number of Units Bought now. Each difference in Sold High minus Bought Low was pure Profit.

Commodities Market is not for the faint of heart; sometimes the spread per commodity unit is in mere cents, with a fortune won or lost pennies by per deal made hundreds of times a day.

UPDATE: For a step-by-step explanation by a commodities expert, see and/or listen to this week's (July 9, 2013) NPR: Planet Money Podcast. For those arriving late, you'll find it in the archives here:




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What did Winthorpe and Valentine do in Trading Places?

In other words, Winthorpe and Valentine have contracts allowing them to buy millions of pounds of orange juice in April for 29 cents a pound, and to sell it for $1.42 a pound. They sold high and bought low. They're rich. The Dukes made the opposite bet and went broke.

How much money did Billy Ray and Louis make in Trading Places?

How much did Billy Ray and Louis make in their scheme? The actual amount isn't given but the Dukes had to pay $394 million ($1.011 BILLION in 2019 adjusted for inflation) In the movie, the Dukes "shorted" oranges in a "margin" trade, using leverage.

Do they really trade frozen concentrated orange juice?

The short answer: yes. Frozen concentrated orange juice trading is actually a thing. Traders don't pull up with carts full of little metal cans. Instead, they trade contracts that state they'll deliver a certain amount of orange juice (15,000 pounds at a time, not in little cans) at the agreed-upon price.

How much did they make at the end of Trading Places?

Profits: (122 cents/pound - 38 cents/pound) * 15000 pounds/contract * 20000 contracts = $252,000,000.00. Cha-ching! Since the Dukes' agent flamed out, he's holding a bunch of contracts at the end of trading.



Trading Places(1983) - Billy Ray Valentine Goes To The Bar And Shows Off




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Answer 2

This article does a good job of explaining what's going on during this scene.

In essence, Valentine (Eddie Murphy) is writing down futures buys for frozen concentrated orange juice (FCOJ) and is likely smiling because he is making a huge profit, having sold FCOJ futures (just before the crop report was publicly announced) at a higher price.

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